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[Mila-Buria]

I don't know about boby's recent experience

But I am really frustrated about not being able to find a job.

Crisis, crisis - .. like one blatant guy that i had interview with told me "This crisis is good for me because there are more people of good quality on the market for me to choose".

I know this time is given to me to work on myself and evolve, but even though I have my stacks of books and things to do, I need a "centralized" occupation..

It's good that I started this Master program..yet it's not enough for me

I haven't been out of job for eight years now and it's brutally devastating for me to not have one.

What is more unpleasant is that I hate the process of searching - the writing of countless motivation letters (mostly full of crap), sending cvs, going though the details of each position, interviews....

Oh Please Lord send something ...and soon!

[boby]

this guy was being arrogant - id reply to him with this:
its as good for you as it is good for me because there are
many guys like you out there looking for new staff so ive got plenty of options to choose from
just dont let them crush you on the interview and make you look pathetic and begging for their job and money
thats the purpose of these interviews right now - they just push you to see how low can you go to save some cash
while in fact they just need a confident person that would slap on a wide smile even during the hardest crisis
and make the company look prosperous

just keep your head up and act like you already have a job but youre looking for something better
if they are being too arrogant you could even say so - if they ask for details just dont give any
they may push you to give this information even after they hire you - you dont have to give it
they could check for health insurance records and challenge you you had no job - just tell them
"you know the game" or "well thats why i came to you"

this crisis is NOT good for them because you can find any kind of job while they have
a business and a reputation to keep so its killing them - they may be looking for new staff but
they know perfectly well that if they dont provide much
their new staff will flee to their competition the first chance it has

so just keep looking, keep your head up but dont get arrogant with them - at least not more than they are with you
after all - if you bust your future boss' balls on the intervew he would hardly want you around to do that on a daily basis

[plamenski]

Boby gives you good advices. I'll just second that - don't look as if you really need the job.

[AlphaDesigner]

It all depends on your future employer. I know employers who value enthusiasm more than... usual. Because at the end of the day, your skills get worn off if you just rely on them to sustain your career. And if you lack enthusiasm and you are not ready to really embrace the possibilities your employer offers you and develop yourself further, then he would be forced to look for someone else in 5 years. Which is not such a long period when we talk about business and careers. Clever employers know that and sometimes they prefer to hire a passionate skillful worker instead of a less enthusiastic brilliant one.

I fail to see how the crisis is good for anybody, this мерене на пишки is typical of the mediocre capitalist shortsightedness. The company that my dad works for had to fire a lot of people because of the crisis and I never saw him happy because of that. Right the opposite, he was terrified because the team they tried so hard to collect for years was falling apart with every passing day. Some of the skilled people you fire may choose another job but they will stick to it temporarily until things pick up again - mostly because during a crisis nobody can really offer good conditions to anybody. Even Microsoft.

The people who allow themselves such arrogant remarks are actually stupid desk clerks with no idea about how business really works (or should work), which means they should be avoided in the first place. Because if you go that far to hide your enthusiasm, it would mean you would never be satisfied with your job. Jobs are not all about money, they play a big part in your whole inner integrity. So never fear to show your enthusiasm. Enthusiasm is by no means desperation. In a sense, it's right the opposite.

[boby]

enthusiasm...
most jobs are routine and repetitive
you cant really be enthusiastic about it after a couple of years doing the same thing
the only way you can be enthused is of change
change is basically the knowledge that what you are about to experience is new
and you have never experienced it before

thats why companies have "rotations" of all kinds
you do this for a year or two then you do this
youre even told so so that keeps you enthused because you "expect the unexpected"
another way to keep employees enthused is rather trivial - raises in money and status
the later tho was well covered by deming - at the end you end up with
a management of highly paid incompetents and unless some heads fly the company fails

there are a few other tricks but at the end - your job is the same old routine
changing the office and the people you work with is something that could fuel your enthusiasm for a while
but sometimes changing your profession could do wonders for your enthusiasm

but youre right - you should not hide your enthusiasm
show it while you have it

[Mila-Buria]

Thank you for the advices, guys!

I have an important interview on Wednesday, so I'll put them into practice very soon

[AlphaDesigner]

enthusiasm...
most jobs are routine and repetitive

Well maybe my perspective is skewed by the fact that my profession is considered "creative" even though there is a lot of repetition and routine in it, too. My point is you shouldn't necessarily try to hide your desire to get the job - you may never know, the employer may be looking exactly for that. If you pretend you don't care, you just look kind of British, nothing more.

[boby]

every job has a creativity part
but its about 10% of it
the rest is routine
in employment terms the routine is called "experience"
the more "experience" you have the better you are in
your jobs repetitive stuff
in fact the more "experience" you have the more youre expected
to keep repeating what youve done so far
and less expected to do new stuff in which you dont have "experience"...

[AlphaDesigner]

Bravo! Now let's slash our wrists ritualistically!

[boby]

now that would be something out of the routine

[Mila-Buria]

Finally! I got a job.
It's not anything special - it's an outsourcing call center - but still, it's fine /considering the crisis and how hard it was to find one/
I get to use both my English and French, which is wonderful!

so...

I feel good!

[boby]

just keep your nerve!



ps
now if sasho was here hed say - "see? youve been unemployed for three weeks - what crisis?"

[plamenski]

Well done Burkin!

Call center, huh? Try to learn everything about the company and the country you servicing
as there is nothing more annoying than calling a call center and you have to spell out well known words like - London!

[Mila-Buria]

HAhaha cool video boby

and plamo - i'll be servicing mainly the UK - but since I have graduated english philology, and we had a couple of courses on British culture.

/although today i came across the town Caernarfron and I was like Ъъъ

It's fun - people with all kinds of accents and pronunciations call
I hope it will not get boring soon. And the other good thing is that there is an opportunity for promotion.
We'll see how it goes..

[boby]

craernaerarphrourwrn...r?